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What if lock downs do more harm than good?

Why is Costco, Walmart allowed to open but restaurants in New York can not serve inside. This is illogical. Many have gone out of business.
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https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/10/08/lockdown-is-more-harmful-than-covid-stanford-professor-of-medicine/

72 day(s) ago

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Kravenhead
The evidence compiled and supported by the consensus of experts around the world disagree.

The difference between large retailers and bars and restaurants is that in stores people can easily socially distance, that can be enforced, and they keep their masks on. In bars and restaurants, they have to remove their masks to eat and drink.
The "Right Wing" promotes opening everything up because their focus is on wealth, not health.
I know we disagree on this but, as I see it, rejecting the advice of the epidemiologists and virologists has led to the out of control spread of COVID.
They downplayed it from the start.

Here's what I found regarding that web site:
"Founded by Joe Martino 2009, Collective-Evolution is a clickbait, conspiracy, and quackery-level pseudoscience website."

I'll always listen to the consensus of experts.

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Kravenhead
69 day(s) ago
If businesses are forced to shut their doors, it's a temporary situation. It's only until the numbers go down, or most everyone has been vaccinated. During that time, the local and or federal government needs to compensate them so they and their employees receive their normal income.
When that doesn't happen, people defy the orders, and under pressure, the orders are lifted too soon. Then it's back to square one, and virtually nothing was accomplished.
That's the kind of thing that's been going on all over the country.
Federal and local governments have failed us.
They're not using the same science based playbook.
Due to the horrible response, if COVID were as deadly as the Black Plague, half the people in America would die. About a hundred and fifty million.

philosopher
69 day(s) ago
Yes many restaurant owners here are now refusing to close and fighting back to survive.
Giacomo, who owes our faviorte restaurant is very bright. His take out is busy and he built tents with heat. We have eaten in the tent.
Giacomo, is a very hard working and successful Italian immigrant. The kind we want in America. He employs many waiters, bus boys and staff. They all are nice and work hard. Everyone wears mask and people are separated. When we ate inside we were far apart. There was no reason to close inside. It is a big place with plenty of room to separate customers.
Resturant owners put, their life into their business. Destroying them is morally wrong. Immoral Cuomo and di Blascio do not care. Cuomo threw a birthbay party and celebrated despite that others are struggling to feed their families becuse of his immoral polices. They get paid with our taxes.
The policies of Cuomo, di Blascio jeopardize citizen and police life's. No bail releases violate criminals who always commit more crimes. They raised our property taxes too fund illegals, many are criminals and they fund savages attempting to enfore unconstitutional Sharia law. This is sedition. They registered illegals to vote which is treason. They should be removed, convicted and behind bars.

Kravenhead
70 day(s) ago
We have to find ways to keep people healthy and keep these businesses from suffering and going under.
One without the other sabotages restrictions.
People won't follow restrictions if it puts them out of business.

philosopher
70 day(s) ago
Costo has big cowards of people. At the restaurant they work really hard to keep people apart. It is unfear to close them. Now they use a tent. The owner is very bright.

Kravenhead
70 day(s) ago
It sounds like your Costco isn't doing their job in keeping people at a distance. They're not enforcing the requirements to be open.

That's a problem. Not everyone in the country is on the same page.
One state has restrictions, another doesn't, and people travel back and forth. That's why this thing is out of control.

New Zealand had strict lockdowns. North Dakota didn't.
The population of New Zealand is more than 5 times that of North Dakota.
New Zealand has had 2,034 cases with 25 deaths.
North Dakota has had 85,672 cases with 1,237 deaths.
New Zealand followed the advice of the experts. North Dakota didn't.
Those stats make it clear to me what works and what doesn't.

philosopher
70 day(s) ago
In my restaurant people were far apart. At Costco people actually are closer than we are the restaurant and workers ware mask. You can not eat earing a mask. This is bull.

Kravenhead
70 day(s) ago
As I said, stores like Costco can keep people apart and customers wear masks. In restaurants and bars they're closer and have to remove their masks to eat and drink.
The Right Wing's "everything should be open" embrace of conspiracy theories, and rejection of infectious disease science is killing people.
They've politicized a pandemic when they should be following well established science.
Greedy people can't make as much money if they can't get everyone back in their factories, plants, and offices.
That's why they promote conspiracy theories and misinformation.
They simply don't care if people get sick or die.
They're following the same playbook with the pandemic that they followed regarding tobacco and fossil fuels.
Science knows how to curb the spread of infectious diseases and they've been rejecting that science at every turn.
I know you believe in them and what they're saying, but it couldn't be clearer to me who is making things worse.
It's the people in positions of power that are refusing to accept the well established science of infectious diseases.
Since you don't see it that way, it isn't productive for me to continue to state my views on the subject.
It just creates stress, for both you and I.

philosopher
71 day(s) ago
It does not work. What it does is destroy businesses, life’s and our economy.
Dictators like evil di Blasio will try to continue this despite that people get vaccines.
How come Costco can be open but, not restaurants? Unscientific and illogical.
It is about destroying small businesses, middle class and trying to make them dependent on evil government.
Our restaurant is running. We eat in a tent with heaters.

Kravenhead
71 day(s) ago
Lock downs have been on and off, and not all states have used or enforced them. People from those states travel to other states.
We can't have spotty lock downs all over the nation and expect them to work as well as they could.
Lock downs keep people from gathering and that in turn keeps them from passing the virus on.
The effectiveness of keeping people separated during a contagious disease outbreak is established science.
It's why they isolate people in hospitals that are contagious.
It's a scientific fact that separation works.
There just isn't any way possible that I could reject the logic in that. It's as logical as keeping fire and your hand separate so you don't get burned.

philosopher
71 day(s) ago
Most legitimate researchers actually agree with this. If lock downs worked we would no longer need them.

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